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| jillita |
 Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:25 pm |
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WITNESSES!!!
I'm still taking any and all statements. David will meet the prosecutors on Wed to learn whether they will drop the charges or proceed. Bring on your ammo.
I am meeting a few people with statements at Aaron's bike ride at the pergola in Pioneer Square tomorrow (Tues) at high noon (see associated thread). Please send me an email to tell me that you'll meet me there, or to arrange for me to pick it up before. We are leaving for Fall City after we stop at the pergola.
Don't be silent. You can see there is much to be said so please say it LOUD.
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| Aaron |
| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:25 pm |
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I was within 100 yards from the start of the incident to 10 feet away at the end and I never heard or saw a siren or lights.
The police are lying.
So Gregg, God Damn, man, you were right there! Have you got Jill your statement?
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| jillita |
| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:16 pm |
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| I was cutting Gregg some slack. The man had a hard night himself. He got his hot bod in the pic. That's good enough for me. :) |
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| dennyt |
| Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:33 pm |
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| I rode up from the back of the pack, having corked the previous intersection at the bottom of the hill, and I could hear grunting and struggling from a half block away, but no sirens. This was at the point when they were both on the ground. |
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| joby |
| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:12 am |
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| mike.hahn |
| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:46 am |
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We were right there. ABSOLUTELY. NO. SIRENS. (until they were pulling away from the scene post-arrest). Blatent lies.
>>EDIT<< and that's me next to Gregg :) |
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| eldan |
| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:45 am |
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For what it's worth, my fiancee and I were in the Belltown P-Patch [Elliott & Vine - across a block from where you were attacked] while this went down, and we heard nothing. We noticed the ride going up Wall St. (I hadn't actually been aware of Seattle Critical Mass before, but it was pretty obvious that that's what you were), and heard no sirens or horns, or any other sign for somebody without a line-of-sight to the incident that something was up.
I wonder if any of the buildings around that intersection (2 condo blocks, 1 apartment building, and a business on each corner) have security cameras that would have caught the whole incident.
I'm trying to ignore the comments on the slog: just bear in mind how effectively the internet grants a safe space to arseholes. |
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| eldan |
| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:58 am |
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| One more thing: these cops were supposedly working with transit on bus routes. Is it relevant to point out that there is no bus route along Western Avenue? |
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| joby |
| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:10 am |
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| keyholefish |
| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:15 pm |
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| dang, the first half of that article is the sherriff's press release, essentially verbatim. at least the original article told the other side. |
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| Oldmesenger82 |
| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:36 pm |
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| Remember folks, that the cops live off of your tax $. Maybe we should ask "WTF are the cops doing with our money?' Maybe it's time for a few letters to the editor pointing that out. The sheriffs will have to learn the hard way it's a waste of time to mess with CM. |
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| jillita |
| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:54 pm |
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Exactly. One thing I appreciate about the articles that have come out over the past few days is how SPD comes across as accepting of CM, right in their own backyard. Anyone remember a little stroll CM took over the Aurora Bridge last year with a SPD escort? They know there are more serious problems and better uses of tax dollars than assaulting a bunch of passive cyclists.
Regardless of the politics of CM, the violence was a separate event that has made a well-tolerated, non-violent event into an enormous tax on everyone's life so far. All those "cops" needed to do was get out of their vehicle and show their badge once and calmly voice their dissatisfaction, but they chose otherwise. Everyone is encouraged to write letters to the KC Sheriff's office voicing their concerns about this event. Any citizen can file a complaint about inappropriate actions. |
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| Aaron |
| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:02 pm |
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Chinnick wrote: They didn't want to make a big deal out of this. They just really wanted this guy to obey the law and get out of the road and we would call it a day.
As Jace was corking the mini-van there were hundreds of cyclists passing in front of him. What did the deputies think they were going to do if Jace moved?
This is a clear case of road rage.
Zach's lawyer got it right when he said the deputies started the fight as civilians and ended it as law enforcement. |
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| jillita |
| Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:21 pm |
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POSSIBLE THURSDAY JULY 6 RALLY
Our attorney, David Speikers, is trying to meet with KC prosecutors on Wed to convince them to drop the charges against Zack (a game of legal chess, if you will). If he doesn't succeed, Zack has a hearing regarding the charges at 2:30 p.m. Thursday at the KC jail.
If they decide to press charges, we need EVERYBODY to appear for the hearing at the KC jail (same place as before, 5th & James) for a demonstration. David says this will be extremely important for raising awareness of the case. The prosecutors need to know that this will be a very public trial. We will have a press release for the rally as well. We will not know until later Wed if this is going to happen or not, but we want to give everyone a head's up to plan for a Thursday afternoon rally.
More to come.... |
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| ilsa |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:07 am |
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| kinaidos |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:55 am |
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"dang, the first half of that article is the sherriff's press release, essentially verbatim. at least the original article told the other side."
Most news - about 70% of what goes on the air or in print - is simply copy and pasted press releases. It's most obvious when you find *news* items like McDonalds has a new sandwich..., but even when the news seems to be presenting an interview they usually are just copying interview boilerplate from a press release.
There is nothing to prevent .83 from issuing their own press release. If the press release were built around or related to a protest event of some sort, then you'd have a better chance of getting it into the news and getting them to spin the story your way. News items can only run two levels deep, or they lose the average viewer/reader. So if the story is a story about a protest they ill cover the protest and the reason for the protest, but they can't really go into a rebuttal of the reasons, etc. They'll typically just tag the story with a perfunctory disclaimer, e.g. Sherrif's deputies deny... etc.
BUT I would wait until after the case has been disposed of. The defense doesn't need to show that the deputies were lying to get the case dismissed. It probably suffices to show that the resistance happened in a way that made it extremely unlikely that the individual could have known they were police. Dredging up a lot of other stuff at this point just runs the risk of dredging up some little thing that could possibly undermine the simplest defense. (Which is why it would be a good idea to try to refrain from posting any details at all about what you heard or saw. These boards are very visible now. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the deputies had a daughter, e.g. who saw them linked from the Stranger and who is reading every line.) |
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| axis42 |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:27 am |
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FWIW, I have been orgainzing the media coverage and putting out prerss releases for Zack and for Joby and making sure their side of the story is represented in the press.
If you ask me, most of the media coverage has been pretty fair. The PI ran a story on Monday with no quotes from the cops, and so their story yesterday was more heavily weighted toward their side, but their story, in the physical paper, was the lead of the local section with a huge picture of a burly cop driving his knee into Zack's face, which, if you ask me, is a good image for our side to have out there.
The Times was very fair in thier representation of the story and King 5.com was somewhat weighted toward us. The Stranger was and I am sure will be (their issue hits the streets today) very slanted toward us. Only the Weekly's blog posting was really bad... but at least they printed our full press release and their full press release so readers could weigh each side evenly....
Granted, the stories in any paper aren't very in depth, but that's because space is at a premium in today's media world, esp. print and broadcast media. Not that that is a good excuse for lackadazical stories, but it is a reason... and I don't think any of these stories were lazy (well, the Weekly was a bit lazy in their coverage...)
Anyway, my point is that I hope people don't get too down on the media. they are one of our best tools in this case (after a great lawyer and the amazing support shown here) and believe you me, I have a plan to keep this story alive in the media after Zack and Jobies initial case is dealt with... My hope (and I believe it is the hope of Zack as well) is to raise more awareness of the rights of bicyclists AND (for me anyway) to get some change in the cops. at least get these guys' cover blown so they have to become desk jockeys and get them punished.
That said, we need to hold off on that aspect of it now because we want the media (and the public) to stay focused on the most important thing right now: that Zack and Joby were violently attacked with no provoocation by cops who did not ID themselves. Once this first phase is past, I will be happy to work with anyone who wants to try and get the issue of cop violence and bike rights out there....
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| sekai |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:52 am |
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| someone attacked Day-Glow-Joby!?! wtf, revenge! |
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| lantius |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:54 am |
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| davis |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:54 am |
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| What time are folks planning on showing up at the jailhouse tomorrow? I'm trying to round up the math posse, and they're wondering how early to be there. |
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| joeball |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:03 am |
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| Will this be another public hearing? Thus will appropriate courtroom attire be most useful in showing support again? |
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| jillita |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:46 am |
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Hi everyone -
Yes this will be a public hearing. It is at 2:30 p.m. Thursday. We haven't worked out details yet, but I'm guessing on having people there by 1:30 p.m. WE WILL LET YOU KNOW OF MORE DETAILS LATER TODAY. Please wear professional attire (men - nice slacks, button-up shirt; ladies - skirt or slacks and blouse). All of you who showed up on Saturday looked smashing!! I'll even get myself together and dig up a skirt. There is talk of a special guest appearance by....well, let's say the most kick ass noise brigade in town.
Also, if you haven't seen this already, a few months ago the P-I did a series of investigative stories on the King County police. The stories they discovered are VERBATIM what happend to us on Friday:
"Suspected 'thugs' were really cops - A woman comes upon burly men beating up on a homeless guy, "Stop or I'll call the cops!" They turn around and growl, "We ARE the cops...."."
It is a chilling and infuriating read that this department has gotten away with this behavior for YEARS. This must stop NOW.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/262068_retsherry08.html
It is the first of a series, the rest of which are linked to on the right side of the text of the article.
This one mentions fraudulent reports:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/262122_retabreu08.html
Peace,
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| respecttheroad |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:35 am |
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| I must say.....what do expect? If they weren't cops I'm sure your friends would be hurting a little more than a few scrapes and bruises. I respect cyclists and I share the road, but not when you run red lights, cut people off, make illegal turns, or go too slow in the road. Yes you are doing the Earth a good deed by not emitting any pollution, but that doesnt make you holy-er than holy. Respect the road and motorists will respect you. Pissing people off by corking an intersection and racing through red lights is not going to get your point across very well. If bikes are on the road, follow the rules of the road, if you want to be treated like a car then act like you are in one. You dont see cars corking up an intersection because they want to run red lights do you? Get a clue people. |
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| henry |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:38 am |
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respecttheroad wrote: I must say.....what do expect? If they weren't cops I'm sure your friends would be hurting a little more than a few scrapes and bruises. I respect cyclists and I share the road, but not when you run red lights, cut people off, make illegal turns, or go too slow in the road. Yes you are doing the Earth a good deed by not emitting any pollution, but that doesnt make you holy-er than holy. Respect the road and motorists will respect you. Pissing people off by corking an intersection and racing through red lights is not going to get your point across very well. If bikes are on the road, follow the rules of the road, if you want to be treated like a car then act like you are in one. You dont see cars corking up an intersection because they want to run red lights do you? Get a clue people.
hi, i don't think i've met you before. my name is henry. you should come for a ride sometime!! you'll have a blast i promise. |
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| jeff |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:53 am |
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respecttheroad wrote: I must say.....what do expect? If they weren't cops I'm sure your friends would be hurting a little more than a few scrapes and bruises. I respect cyclists and I share the road, but not when you run red lights, cut people off, make illegal turns, or go too slow in the road. Yes you are doing the Earth a good deed by not emitting any pollution, but that doesnt make you holy-er than holy. Respect the road and motorists will respect you. Pissing people off by corking an intersection and racing through red lights is not going to get your point across very well. If bikes are on the road, follow the rules of the road, if you want to be treated like a car then act like you are in one. You dont see cars corking up an intersection because they want to run red lights do you? Get a clue people.
This is my favorite bike vs. car argument out there. It helps perpetuate the fallacy that drivers are flawless and follow the rule of the law 100% at all times. Which is totally fucking true. Especially here in Seattle.
Respecttheroad, if you've got half a sack you'll strap on some drinkin' boots and join us on a ride. Then you will truly be an authority on 2 things: Bikes and beer. |
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| axis42 |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:57 am |
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Hey folks,
So far we have been lucky that no flaming and trolling has happened here.
Let's keep it that way and ignore any attempts like the above to incite a debate and get us off topic, ok? What matters here is that Zack and Jace got beat up when, at most, they should have received a ticket.
Rules of the road and bicyclists rights to the road are not the point today and I would like to discourage further trolls by having us all ignore that post above.
Don't even bother telling them to stop or that they're wrong or anything. Let this be the last thing said about such posts, please.
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| jeff |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:10 pm |
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Great idea. I was just talking to one of the reporters (a friend) who wrote about this and was pointing out that if what Jace was doing was just a simple traffic infraction they why the use of force?
Also, how many times Have you tried to cross Denny Way, but couldn't because a pack of cars ran a red light and then ended up blocking the intersection. Would the King Kounty Kops beat them too? |
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| badhill |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:37 pm |
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| just talked to the boss. got midday off. i'll be there tomorrow. woo! |
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| the dreaded ben |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:47 pm |
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axis42 wrote: Hey folks,
So far we have been lucky that no flaming and trolling has happened here.
Let's keep it that way and ignore any attempts like the above to incite a debate and get us off topic, ok? What matters here is that Zack and Jace got beat up when, at most, they should have received a ticket.
Rules of the road and bicyclists rights to the road are not the point today and I would like to discourage further trolls by having us all ignore that post above.
Don't even bother telling them to stop or that they're wrong or anything. Let this be the last thing said about such posts, please.
thanks,
Charlie
and i always thought i was the pointythree pr man.
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| pete jr |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:37 pm |
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| Just to clarify, the tuesday public hearing is at the KC Courthouse at 5th and James again, correct? |
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| axis42 |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:42 pm |
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pete jr wrote: Just to clarify, the tuesday public hearing is at the KC Courthouse at 5th and James again, correct?
The hearing is tomorrow, Thursday the 6th.... it is at the same place. it will start at 230 and be done shortly thereafter (15 mins or so) at which time there will be an official statement made by Zack's lawyer and hopefully some media in attendance so the more supporters, the better!
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| SofaKing |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:18 pm |
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You know, I'm not sure if this is relevant. I was up ahead of the group when this whole altercation unfolded...
Chris, the one who was later in a wreck at Golden Gardens, was really pissed off because that sheriffs van apparently hit his bike. He was really fuming over it because it was his only bike and they bent the rear wheel rather seriously. I think it happened before they even got out of the van. He never mentioned any lights or sirens or anything, I know his relationship with the cops and I’m sure he would have gotten the hell out of there ASAP the second it became apparent who they where.
I’m not sure of any more details though and unfortunately have no way to get a hold of Chris. |
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| jillita |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:21 pm |
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| mike.hahn |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:42 pm |
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| jillita |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:47 pm |
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| Ahhhhh you beat me to it!!! An excellent job by the Stranger if I do say so. They even mention Zack's improvised chess-playing while in the tank. That's my man. Awesome. :) |
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| bluefood |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:53 pm |
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SofaKing wrote: I’m not sure of any more details though and unfortunately have no way to get a hold of Chris.
is this miami chris? shirtless chris? he works at earl's on the ave. |
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| SofaKing |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:23 pm |
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bluefood wrote: SofaKing wrote: I’m not sure of any more details though and unfortunately have no way to get a hold of Chris.
is this miami chris? shirtless chris? he works at earl's on the ave.
I think miami chris. He doesn't work at Earls. |
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| Oldmesenger82 |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:06 pm |
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| Has anyone looked into the citizens review board? |
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| jillita |
| Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:47 pm |
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Que?
Doesn't sound familiar. If it's something you could volunteer to look into we'd be most appreciative. |
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| langston |
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thank you, thank you, thank you. I challenge all to a better office prank. |
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